Book Chapter Support
Benjamin Pachter
Papers 2.0 is a dramatic improvement on the previous version. However, I feel that there a crucial oversight exists. There is no option for Book Chapters - only for Articles or full books. Given that a large number of sources are of this type, the inability to appropriately catalog book chapters causes issues - we have to compromise, which in terms impacts the bibliographical information.
I hope that this can be fixed/added in the near future.
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62 Posted by Josh Braun on 08 Apr, 2011 12:50 PM
First off, great work with all the updates. V2 has been improving with breathtaking speed. Now, to the issue—the book chapter misgridding issue, where double-clicking icons in the nested chapter view opens the wrong PDF—is still occurring in v2.0.4. I realized I may not have described it well previously, so I've attached a screen-capture video in which I explain the issue.
Apologies if my voice sounds stern—I promise I'm not upset, and in fact thrilled at how responsive you folks have been. Just my morning voice apparently, which I'm not used to hearing recorded. To coffee!
Support Staff 63 Posted by charles on 08 Apr, 2011 10:20 PM
Josh: awesome bug report, and your voice sounds great and certainly not upset, so no worry. We think we have this one nailed now, to be included in the next release (1-2 weeks of waiting time). Thanks very very much!
64 Posted by Canyon on 09 Apr, 2011 01:42 AM
I'm not having any luck using books. I see no way of reliably associating book chapters with their books. If I drag a chapter into the chapter area, nothing happens.
If I click the plus button, a new chapter is created, but I can't associate it with any existing document.
If I highlight the new bogus chapter created with the plus button and click the minus button, Papers2 deletes another random chapter from the book -- not the highlighted chapter, some other chapter from the book, seemingly at random.
It complete deletes the chapter -- not even moving it to the trash. The chapters are now completely gone.
65 Posted by Canyon on 09 Apr, 2011 01:44 AM
Update -- the chapters weren't deleted, they just were changed to Journal Articles, and so weren't shown any more in the book view.
So it appears that using the minus button in the book chapters view randomly changes some other book chapter into a journal article. Papers2.0.4
Support Staff 66 Posted by charles on 09 Apr, 2011 01:57 AM
Just to be sure, do you drag it in the area that says "Drag New Chapter Here", and not just in the table view itself?
This is a bug related to Josh's bug, we are also looking into this one. Thanks!
67 Posted by ellabiker on 10 Apr, 2011 03:03 PM
Hello, I have referenced a book in a word doc, and in the references this is what I get:
Givoni, M., & Rietveld, P. (2008). Chapter 14: Rail infrastructure at major European hub airports: the role of institutional settings, in: H. Priemus, B. Flyvbjerg, & B. van Wee (Tran.), Decision-making on mega-projects, p. 281-303. Cheltenham, UK - Northampton, MA, USA: Edward Elgar.
You'll note the (Tran.): should it not be (Eds.)?
I am using the Urban Studies style. Looking at a 2011 Urban Studies paper, this is how a book is referenced: Sabourin, J. (1994) The process of gentrification: lessons from an inner-city neighbourhood, in: F. Frisken (Ed.) The Changing Canadian Metropolis: A Public Policy Perspective, Vol. 1, pp. 259–292. Berkeley, CA: Institute of Governmental Studies Press, University of California and Toronto: Canadian Urban Institute.
(I have lost all the italics, but they look fine
It does say eds. if I try a Harvard style.
Thanks
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68 Posted by januse72 on 10 Apr, 2011 05:18 PM
@ellabiker I had the same problem, but using APA 6th style
69 Posted by Asbjørn on 11 Apr, 2011 12:53 PM
Not entirely. In harvard style referencing style I need to see BOTH dates - both the original date from the chapter-text and the date from the edited book.
Thus, My ideal ciatation should look like this:
Marx, K., 1852. The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte. In R. Collins (ed), Four Sociological Traditions, 1994. Oxford: Oxford University Press, p. 29-30.
(see post 39 for details)
As it is now, if I wanted to look up the reference, I would be missing the name of the editor(s) and the year of publishing for this specific edition (1994).
70 Posted by ellabiker on 14 Apr, 2011 09:47 AM
@januse72: how did you solve it?
71 Posted by januse72 on 14 Apr, 2011 09:35 PM
@ellabiker logged a bug report and went back to EndNote
72 Posted by ellabiker on 15 Apr, 2011 09:35 AM
I'll wait to see if the bug reported by Josh is sorted in the next update.
In the meantime, what is the final position on having metadata from the book (publisher, author by default with the possibility to manually overwrite if an edited book or any other solution to the edited book, etc, date of publication, etc) automatically imported to all its chapters too?
And what about the fact that an edited book does not consider editors automatically as authors? Is the author field not redundant in the case of an edited book? considering that you need to add each individual author manually (with the p2 authors pop up) should we not be able to select if a book is authored or edited and then if edited the authors field is overridden by the editors one? (I also mentioned this to be the case for websites, e.g. newspapers, where you normally have the newspaper as the author in a reference, not the journalist).
Thanks!
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73 Posted by Matthew Kirkcaldie on 26 May, 2011 04:33 AM
I'd just like to add a "me too" to Ella's query about chapters inheriting book attributes. I can't quite understand what the benefit of chapters might be if they don't.
Cheers,
Matthew.
PS: I would also like to see a more open discussion board please - I realise you guys feel a little burned but there must be a happy medium between open slander and complete silence.
PPS: and yes I meant to say "open slander" there.
74 Posted by slinglex on 26 May, 2011 06:21 AM
In Papers 2.0.6, when I match a the edited volumes (a volume title with different chapters by many authors - single PDF), puts the Editors as Autors. If I manually change the names into a "Editors" field, my library appears as "Unknow" autor.
1.- Is any form to set the option for Eds, in autor field?
2.- Exist the posibility to add a "new chapter" and cite this, but you need to have manys PDF (one for each chapter to cite). In the case, when you have a edited volume (in a single PDF), How can I do for cite a specific chapter (with his own chapter autors) without have to divide the pdf file (for each chapter) and still organized into the book?
Thanks
Support Staff 75 Posted by charles on 27 May, 2011 08:32 PM
@slinglex: I am sorry I am not sure I understand what you mean with your question/report about editors and authors.
Regarding PDFs that have multiple chapters in it, I am not sure there is much Papers can do, if we agree that the model is one entry per citation. Note that you can create an entry without a PDF for this chapter, and make that part of the book, with the book being the holder of the PDF. SO you have:
Does that make sense?
76 Posted by Matthew Kirkcaldie on 28 May, 2011 12:11 AM
The editors/authors thing is about the fact that if a book has editors, but not authors, the author field shows "Unknown" in the listing. Which is accurate, strictly speaking, but it looks quite weird to have a listing with some books showing authors and some books showing "Unknown". So perhaps an option where the Authors column will show editors if there are no authors for that item - perhaps show editors in italics or with (ed) afterward.
Support Staff 77 Posted by charles on 28 May, 2011 01:41 AM
Thanks, Matthew, makes sense now. I can't promise anything at this stage, and there are other technical aspects that make it harder than it looks, but we'll do our best.
78 Posted by dperlman on 18 Nov, 2011 01:12 AM
I just imported a PDF of a whole book, an edited collection of chapters by different authors, and entered its bibliographic information as a book, including the editors' names, which was very exciting. However, now I'm trying to figure out how to also enter bibliographic information for the individual chapters but I can't find any way to do that. What should I do?
Thanks!
Support Staff 79 Posted by charles on 18 Nov, 2011 06:06 AM
@dperiman: For the chapters, you will need to create new entries if you want to cite those chapters later, or treat them as separate entities in any way. The new entries can be created directly from the inspector for the book (the inspectors the right panel) and then edited as needed. Please also check the tutorials on our Knowledge Base for a detailed demo: http://support.mekentosj.com/kb/tutorials
charles closed this discussion on 18 Nov, 2011 06:06 AM.
slinglex re-opened this discussion on 23 Nov, 2011 06:14 AM
80 Posted by slinglex on 23 Nov, 2011 06:14 AM
I'm still thinking that create new entries for each chapter should apply only when exist two or more (different) files. If we think in a book like a folder with many chapters (a single PDF with many chapters - different authors), it could be more flexible and manageable (AND we don't have a no-file entries on our libraries)
mek closed this discussion on 23 Nov, 2011 10:14 AM.
charles re-opened this discussion on 23 Nov, 2011 07:25 PM
81 Posted by giles on 31 Jan, 2012 12:42 AM
I find that book chapters work quite well, but it is confusing that the contents list of chapters in the information pane of a book doesn't automatically get longer with more chapters, but has a hidden scroll bar. Very difficult to see if you have correctly added the chapters that way!
I also find the tiny preview image doesn't always reflect the pdf, making them all seem the same. It could be that they need updating (since I sometimes edit the first page, ie move the JSTOR cover to the back of the pdf), but I'm not sure how to update the previews.
The icon in the list view is the same for both books and chapters. This makes it hard to see if you have correctly associated all the chapters to their books. Perhaps an "associate chapters with book entry" function would be nice, so that the chapters were able to be listed under the main book entry, perhaps greyed or indented for visual clarity. It would also be good if the contents list was ordered by page numbers when chapters are not numbered. Alphabetical order doesn't make much sense if pages are numbered.
thanks for bringing back those Papers 1 essentials too. It seemed the scientific/academic base users of Papers were forgotten for a while, but it is now a useful tool again and I can finally abandon Papers 1.