7 Posted by Martin Brazeau on 10 Mar, 2011 09:15 AM
Okay, I can successfully create a style for Biological Journal
of the Linnean Society, but I can't get Papers 2 to load it. It
won't show up on the menu. I wonder if there's a Papers-specific
.csl header or something?
I opened the nature.csl file inside Papers 2. It is the exact
nature.xml file found in Zotero's style repository (http://www.zotero.org/styles/nature).
So I guess there is no special header, but maybe styles loading is
not just done by scanning the folder. You can try to put your style
in Styles/Additional/ and see if you can then add it in the
Preferences. Are you sure you csl style is functional (did you test
it in another software like Mendeley or Zotero) ?
9 Posted by Martin Brazeau on 10 Mar, 2011 10:07 AM
Yeah, I also noticed that they are all Zotero files.
I discovered that that editor I linked to does not read Zotero
files, so probably you're right: there might be a problem with my
However, it also appears to be the case that styles aren't
loaded simply by scanning the folder, as you say. I experimented
with moving one of the styles to another directory. The style's
name remains in the list when you navigate to it under Preferences,
but an error appears in the style preview. So, it appears that
simply adding styles to the folder won't work.
However, as a workaround, for now, one might try altering one of
the styles that you would never use. I have about 1400 of those . .
Support Staff15 Posted by charles on 10 Mar, 2011 10:25 AM
I am sorry we are still struggling with support, so I can't
expand too much on that. We'll have some more info on that in the
coming weeks. Here is a boilerplate answer I can give you for
We made it possible indeed to overwrite the styles present in
Papers2, or to add more styles (the exact way to do this will be
documented after the release). This however requires you to edit
the XML files that are used by CSL, and to read the CSL
specifications. It's not for the feint of heart, but if you are
comfortable with XML and have a good text editor like TextMate or
similar, then it's not out of reach. The advantage of CSL is that
it is used by other applications, it has been developed in the open
by many others before Papers adopted it, and there is a lot of
material online about it.
For reference, the styles currently shipping with Zotero are
similar to the above, but they are still at version 0.8.1, so you
should not use these with Papers, but that gives you an idea of the
scope of the styles: http://www.zotero.org/styles
Well, that at least prevents me from spending more time to find
a solution ;-).
All we can do, I guess, is be patient! Untill then, we still have
Judging all the comments on the forum, I really hope the first
update will atleast include these citation bug fixes and maybe
include some custom editing of citation styles. It would be a pity
if the use of such a genius function as the magic
manuscript/citations function would be hampered by such a 'trivial'
So for now; papers 1 and endnote will do for me. I'll be
regularly checking if there's an update the coming weeks!
I was all up for buying Papers 2 to get the ability to cite but
we use a of APA where a single author is cited in text as Author
(date). Is there a style that already does this? I am just about to
construct a 50 page report and if I can't use Papers 2, I'll have
to use EndNote (yuk)
I went through some on the list but without trying each one
there's no way of telling. I've found some CSL styles created by
other British unis and they're usually in the format i need, I'm
now trying to see where Papers2 stores these so I can add one or
two to try them out.
Support Staff23 Posted by charles on 10 Mar, 2011 05:39 PM
I'm now trying to see where Papers2 stores these so I can add
one or two to try them out.
Adding them to your Papers2 libray Styles subfolder should work,
but be sure to quit/start the app for it to be taken into
If that does not work, check the console log, that might give us
a clue. Note that this is not yet officially supported, as this has
not been fully tested by us. This is definitely something we
thought about and want to fully support, but it needs more
However; if the bugs in the citation styles as they are set up
now are fixed, and if it will be possible to use/import citation
style files provided on the journals websites that will be fine
for instance, if you check any article in the journal of nuclear
medicine; citing works like this;
in text: (27)
27. Vermeeren L,Valds Olmos RA, Meinhardt W, et al. Value of
SPECT/CT for detection and anatomical localization of sentinel
lymph nodes before laparoscopic sentinel node lymphadenectomy in
prostate carcinoma. J Nucl Med. 2009;50:865–870.
If I use the new magic manuscript tool and select the journal of
surgical oncology style; paste the same citation and format
bibliography in a Word 2011 docx i get:
In text: (27) (not italic, i know, that you know of this bug
1. Vermeeren L, Olmos RAV, Meinhardt W, Bex A, van der Poel HG,
Vogel WV, e.a. Value of SPECT/CT for detection and anatomic
localization of sentinel lymph nodes before laparoscopic sentinel
node lymphadenectomy in prostate carcinoma. Journal of nuclear
medicine : official publication, Society of Nuclear Medicine. 2009
Which is almost perfect, except for the abbreviation of the
journal lacking, the not being in italic, and the appearance of
publication type, society, and month of publication (the last three
things should not be cited).
First conclusion; the citation style for the JNM is obviously
incorrect (as are many styles in papers 2).
Secondly: i can't find a style that would exclude the ':
official publication, Society of Nuclear Medicine' part.
Furthermore, the italic part, well lets not talk about that
You are right! the journal name in this case in my periodicals
"Journal of nuclear medicine : official publication, Society of
So seems like I was using a bad example haha, so that explains
that part, sorry!
Only thing thats left is the publication month being included in
too many styles, the lack of italic format, and the abbrevated
Thanks again, im impressed by how quickly and adequately and
patiently you guys are responding to all the, sometimes too
negative, comments posted here. Good luck with the working day and
night part! Take some time to relax too ;-)
I can't get the style I want in Papers but after discussion with
a colleague, we both agreed that using any in text citation tool
was asking to be annoyed. What I love in Papers2 is that I can put
the papers I'm citing into a collection and then export that
selection as a formatted bibliography in Word. That's how I'm
rolling and now have my card ready to purchase.
The whole in text citation thing is a nightmare for every
software on the market, I wish you luck with being the people who
I would just like to chime in to Charles and the other mekentosj
guys that as a papers 1 user who is looking to upgrade in order to
get the citation capabilities of 2, the bug about not respecting
journal name abbreviations is really a killer and I hope that it's
at the top of your list for things to fix.
Thanks. We all really appreciate the speed with which you guys
released 2.0.1 and hope that you continue doing these minor
releases to get the little bugs worked out while working on the