Footnotes in Scrivener
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Hello,
I am having difficulty with the footnote issue as well. I am using Scrivener (2.2) to write a law review, which requires an inordinate amount of footnotes. I am using Papers (2.3) to cite various sources in my footnotes. After I compile in Scrivener, I create a rich text document and then open it with Word (2011). When the Word document opens, it shows the unformated template citations in the footnotes. When I hit ctrl twice, it only gives me the option to insert a citation, not to format the existing citations in the footnote of the manuscript.
So I am unable to use the format manuscript option to format the citations in the footnotes. If I lift the template citations from the footnotes into the body of the text, and click format manuscript, then the footnotes disappear.
Can support please lead me through step by step on how to do this in a way that works? What I would really like to be able to do is, after I have compiled from Scrivener into a rich text document, and then opened the document in Word 2011, to click the control key twice in Word 2011 to format the manuscript and to then have Papers (2.3) recognize the citations in the footnotes and to convert them into Blue Book format. Is that possible? If not, is there a work around?
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Support Staff 2 Posted by charles on 28 Jul, 2012 04:15 AM
Hi Victor,
I have started a new thread with your question, because it's a relatively common question from Scrivener users that started using Papers 2.2 and now, 2.3. The workflow for using Scrivener should be updated in the documentation, because it is actually now recommended to use the 'doc' or 'docx' format in Word instead of RTF. The RTF format built-in OS X, and that we use for formatting, does not preserve footnotes (it's a non-standard part of RTF). But if you use '.doc' or '.docx' documents, Magic Manuscripts directly accesses the Word document and can manipulate footnotes and other elements.
Prior to Papers 2.1, we had recommended RTF, because Magic Manuscripts could not pick up the citations from Word as plain text (it could only detect the fields that it would itself insert). With Papers 2.1, things got much more flexible, but the limitations of RTF were not apparent until Papers 2.2 came out.
Sorry for the long-winded response. I just wanted to explain why things behaved the way they do, and give a bit of context.
Many thanks for your feedback.
Best wishes,
Charles
Knowledge Base for Papers:
http://support.mekentosj.com/kb
3 Posted by vquintanilla on 31 Jul, 2012 10:57 PM
Charles,
As an update, I have changed the workflow using Scrivener. Now, I am compiling into a *doc format, which preserves the footnotes when I use Magic Manuscripts. However, not all of the citations in the footnotes are being converted correctly. It seems to work best for the first few footnotes, but not for the remaining ones.
Is there a best way to use MagicManuscripts in Scrivener when I am creating footnotes? Perhaps it may have something to do with the way I am inserting the footnotes using MagicManuscripts into the footnotes. As it stands, I am simply using the add footnotes feature (cf+) and then using MagicManuscripts to pull up the source that I wish to cite in particular footnotes and adding them there. That's the majority of my footnotes in the article. Afterward, I am then compiling into a *doc, which contains the footnotes and numbering. But when I then press the MagicManuscripts feature to format the manuscript's citations into Blue Book format, not all of the citations to papers sources are being converted. Some seem to remain in the original papers format (e.g., {Kaplan:1998vk} ). Any additional help would be greatly appreciated.
Support Staff 4 Posted by charles on 05 Aug, 2012 02:21 AM
Hi Victor,
I am sorry some of the citations are not properly formatted. I am very sorry about the issue. Does the console.app output any Citations related error messages? You will find Console.app inside your Applications folder under Utilities. You can filter out Citations-only messages using the search field. For older messages, you have to load them explicitly by clicking the "Earlier" button. (Citations.app is the behind-the-scenes name of the process that provides the 'Magic Manuscripts' feature. It is separate from the main Papers2 application and runs independently of it.)
Thanks for your patience,
Best wishes,
Charles
Knowledge Base for Papers:
http://support.mekentosj.com/kb
charles closed this discussion on 05 Aug, 2012 02:21 AM.