hey. I have a very similar problem with word 2011. adding
citations in the main text works just fine, while when the cursor
is in the footnote text, citations can't be added. I figure this is
not only a question of citation "style" but of their location?
I hope you can make footnote citations a priority! I've been
searching for a reference manager that can successfully manage
footnotes, with no luck as of yet. If you can add that into Papers,
I'll buy it in a heartbeat!
Yes, citations in footnotes should be clearly a high priority
feature. In the current condition manuscripts is unfortunately only
half-baked! Please implement first of all full-featured tools
before doing the next step to other ones.
A co-worker recommended Papers2 to me because he knew what I
required in a reference manager, and EndNote wasn't cutting it. I
am in the humanities, and it seems very foolish to not support
footnote/endnote citations, since I very rarely encounter any other
type of citations in my research. I cannot purchase a product with
such a large limitation.
Another note is that this issue does not occur in your
"limitation" section of "Knowledge Base".
Yes, please made footnote citation support a priority!! I am
trying the Papers trial and was enjoying its features very much
until I realized that I couldn't make use of them in my documents
because footnotes are the only format I can use. Unfortunately,
Papers even deleted my text-based footnotes from Scrivener when I
tried to use a non-footnotes based citation format. You have a
great program and I'm sure many more people will be interested in
it if you can add footnote support.
I have a slightly different problem - I wanted appear as endnote
but it begins formatting in the middle of the main text. Not sure
why it recognizes as the end of the document. Help!
Well, I am returning to endnote.
+1 to this as well. I don't even need Papers to generate the
footnotes for me- It would be fine if I could simply insert the
citekey directly into a footnote (to be formatted later), but it
doesn't work when I try.
23 Posted by Anthony Lopez on 21 Oct, 2011 03:41 AM
No footnotes support!? What is the point of even having citation
functionality if you can't ever use footnotes? I was really excited
for this feature; now I discover it is completely useless. I can't
tell you how many people this affects, not just the people in this
thread. If anyone asked me if this was a good tool to use as a
citation manager, I'd say no way. Good library features, but don't
use it for citing papers in documents. This is kind of a major
oversight, Mekentos guys. I only say so because you have an
otherwise great program. So why go half way on the citations
functionality? oh well, back to EndNote, I guess :( really wish I
could have stayed with you guys.
Would be great if people would stop spamming and keep their
thoughts about the "quality" of the program to themselves.
I don't need footnotes, neither for citations in peer-reviewed
papers nor dissertations or other;
so, maybe there are other topics on the list of the developers,
for example creating a stable, reliable environment to manage PDFs
with, which Papers is, and Endnote isn't.
Sorry, I love Papers to manage my papers and the usability of
manuscripts (since the later beta!) as well, but the missing
footnote support is really annoying. In humanities footnote support
is absolutely essential. Please integrate as soon as possible!
The problem is that Papers claims to have citation support, but
does not support footnotes or endnotes. That is a MAJOR flaw in the
program, for many many academics.
It would seem to me that YOU are the spammer, because I cannot
think of a single academic field that does not use citations in
some format. This is definitely a flaw in the program, and it
reduces the quality, and I (and it would seem many others) are not
willing to invest our money in Papers until this is fixed.
I totally agree. I bought Papers because I was sure it would
support footnote citation. Working in the legal field (an area
explicitly supported by Papers when selecting one's field of work),
I was deeply disturbed to find it is not possible. It still is a
great library manager, but completly useless for citation
I'd choose a stable, reliable software (which is the ONE single
best feature of papers which - by definition- no one notices) over
a new feature any day ...
And the footnote support will come - eventually. Just remember that
you use a piece of software that you paid 30-some bucks for...
Support Staff29 Posted by charles on 07 Nov, 2011 12:07 AM
I cannot think of a single academic field that does not use
citations in some format.
Just to clarify and justify a bit why it was not there on day 1:
our main user base comes from biology, and I can assure you for 99%
of the writing there, there is no need for footnotes. Maybe when
people write book (hence the 1%), but that's very rare,
Now, that does not mean we don't care about other fields, on the
contrary. But we have limited resources and we have to make
choices. There are also technical difficulties for proper support
of footnotes, and thus it was set to be tackled in future updates.
We still leave other options to use Papers in combination with e.g.
EndNote or BibTeX. Not ideal, I agree, but again, this is something
we do care about.
And to finish, I can't promise for sure when it's going to
happen, but footnotes will eventually be supported (not in Papers
2.1, though). Thanks for your patience...
30 Posted by Evan Schoenberg on 07 Nov, 2011 12:36 AM
An excellent interim solution would simply be to allow the
citations manager to have a customizable format - or just force to
the same format used in Edit->Copy As->Reference from Papers
itself. Even if I have to select "Insert Footnote" myself from Word
or Pages, it'd be quite convenient to have easy access to inserting
the reference in the right place.